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republican party not to have lindsay graham carly fiorina, and john kasich in the debates. >> nick? >> jeb bush is a great hugger. that's what i learned. >> he did good. all right, so if it's way too early, it's time for "morning joe." now it's time for "the rundown." have a great day. continuing coverage of the historic deal with iran straight ahead on msnbc. and good morning. i'm jose diaz-balart in mexico city where we're following a major manhunt for the world's most notorious drug kingpin, but first, the unprecedented deal with iran finally finished after months of negotiations. it puts shackles on their nuclear program, but only for a time. president obama said there's no question this is a good deal. >> because of this deal the international community will be able to verify that the islamic republic of iran will not develop a nuclear weapon.
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this deal meets every single one of the bottom lines that we established when we achieved a framework earlier this spring. every pathway to a nuclear weapon is cut off. >> we first got word of the deal in the wee hours of the morning, and while details are still coming in this morning, here's what we know so far. the deal wim limit iran's nuclear program for ten years. it will curb its nuclear research for 15 years. after that period of time iran can go back to doing what it was doing before this deal was reached. the hope is that iaea inspections of iran's nuclear sites will keep an eye on what's occurring. those could begin as soon as next month. in exchange the u.n. will lift a ban on conventional weapons in five years and ballistic missiles in eight years or maybe sooner. if iran complies with a deal it could get billions of dollars in sanctions relief. at the for of this deal two
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men, john kerry and zarif, who spent countless hours working across the table to come to a deal that each described as a hard fought compromise. >> the true measure of this agreement is not whether it meets all of the desires of one side at the expense of the other, the test is whether or not it will leave the world safer and more secure than it would be without it. >> we are reaching an agreement that is not perfect for anybody, but it is what we could accomplish, and it is an important achievement for all of us. today could have been the end of hope on this issue. but now we are starting a new chapter of hope. >> joining me now ali arouzi. we also heard from the iranian president. how is he describing this deal?
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>> he's billing this as a victory for iran. he said this is a new era for iran. he said that the cruel sanctions that never worked in the first place are going to be lifted and iran can now embark on a bright future. it can see economic success. he said iran -- it was managing to keep many of its ambitions. it kept most of its nuclear program intact. it's able to keep its centrifuges to enrich uranium at a lower level, but it's able to do that. it's able to do research on the nuclear program, and iran has come out of the deal with dignity and pride. he also had some words for israel. they never mention the word israel. they refer to it as the zionist regime. he said the zionist regime that worked so hard to break the deal now stands alone, and he urged their neighbors and the global community not to listen to israel's lies because insecurity
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for iran means insecurity for the region. he was very upbeat. he is the man of the moment. this deal is going to launch him into a different stratosphere in iran. he's going to be -- it's going to open up his hand to do domestic changes that he wanted to make so rouhani and foreign minister zarif are certainly the men of the momen. they're going to be very popular in iran and be able to push forward much more agendas than they would have been able to before. tonight, he's having a post -- the supreme leader and member of iran's parliament which is going to be a celebratory dinner and we're hearing in iran today after 8:00 or 9:00 this evening, iranians are planning to flood out into the streets and celebrate what they have been anticipating for very very long time now. jose. >> thank you very much. i want to bring in nbc's joe fryer in london for us this
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morning, covering this historic deal. joe, good morning. what more can you tell us about how the deal came together? >> well we know it's been a long time coming. really these negotiations have been taking place over the course of 20 months. most recently the talks in vienna vienna. 18 days. we have seen a number of deadlines come and go. three deadline extensions. they were approaching a fourth deadline at midnight last night around the time this deal was finally reached. it has not been an easy process between iran and six nations that are led by the u.s. a lot of negotiating led of course by john kerry and iran's foreign minister zarif, two men who have gotten to know each other quite well over the past couple years. described by some not necessarily as friends but friendly as they represent two very different interests in bringing the time-out sides together. a lot of strong reaction to the deal that's been announced this morning. strong reaction on both sides, those who are call it zarif calling it a win-win solution saying we're starting a new
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chapter of hope. on the other side a lot of opposition, including israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. he's called it a bad mistake of historic proportions saying iran will receive money to fuel its terror machine. a lot of strong reaction on both sides, in america and throughout the world. jose. >> joe fryer in london, thank you very much. i want to turn to our senior white house correspondent chris jansing who has the latest from the administration. good morning. >> good morning, obviously, a big fight ahead, right, jose? and already, there are senior white house officials who are on a call with reporters, trying to lay out the parameters of this deal. this is going to be a huge sell job. let me just step back for a empty. one senior white house official said this negotiation, which was so intense, and basically went on nonstop for the last 18 days was like an incredibly complicated rubik's cube with all these twists and turns,
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waiting for the pieces to fall in place. now that they have it's almost unbelievable to think that these negotiations, which sometimes looked like they were going to fall apart, on several occasions turned we're told into shouting matches, could have been the easy part. the president is facing obviously very strong some people here might say hostile opposition from members of congress. he started already making phone calls, we know he spoke to nancy pelosi some time overnight. but he's a person obviously, who hasn't always had very close relationships on the hill. so it's something that they're going to have to do. having said that they also believe that the worst is over in that they think that the biggest gun that could be fired at the president in his attempts to make a deal with iran has already happened. and that what with benjamin netanyahu came to congress stood on the floor of congress and made his case and yet they got to this place. they also have what they think is kind of a secret weapon in energy secretary moniz.
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he's the nuclear physicist, someone woo knows the intricate details of this very well and he's someone who they can use to take the complicated message of what this is and what it exactly means and what the verification process is in particular and sell it to especially democratic members of congress who are going to be critical because if there is this resolution that would scuttle the detail and you heard the president this morning saying he will veto any attempt to scuttle this deal it's going to be the democrats he's going to have to keep on his side to make sure he can sustain that veto. they would need a two thirds vote, and they feel confident right now about their prospects for that jose. >> and let's talk a little bit, chris, about the possibility of what the biggest opposition is going to be. clearly, there will be republicans who have already taken sides on this issue, and said that any deal like the one that was announced this morning is not something they could
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support. but talk to me about the democrats and some of the things. look, you talk about a difficult sell job. the president has had difficult sell jobs in the past tpp, tpa comes to mind. he was able to clear those hurdles pretty easily. >> yeah there was even a question leading up to this if he would be able to get what he needed from them to move forward, and he did. you're going to have to listen to some of the leading voices on the democratic side who have been the strongest supporters of israel, what is chuck schumer, for example, going to say about this? because he's going to need those democratic votes without a doubt. but you also have to look at this in the context of messaging in the larger picture, because congress is going to go home for an extended recess and those members of congress are going to be going home talking to their constituents. it's also a chance for them to counter message, opponents can counter message what the president is saying when they go home to their districts for this long summer recess and can come backfired up.
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so the white house is very aware of this. nothing they have heard so far is surprising to them. and then of course there's one more element that this is all playing out in the middle of a heating political campaign. and 15 republican candidates on the other side of the aisle who are already speaking out very forcefully about this deal. so the president has a lot of voices to counter. and it isn't just members of congress, and although they will ultimately, of course, be the ones who would vote on any legislation, the outside influences from benjamin netanyahu to the folks in their local districts will play a role in this as well. >> chris jansing at the white house, thank you very much. >> let's talk to one of the influential strong voices on capitol hill new jersey democratic senator robert menendez. member of the senate foreign affairs committee joins me this morning. a pleasure to see you. let's start with the deal itself. what is your reaction to it? >> well jose we're going to have to see the entirety of the deal and go through all the specifics because this is one
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moment in which the details make an enormous amount of consequence in terms of how they're written. let's realize what the deal is and is not. even in its framework. the deal ultimately legitimizes iran as a threshold nuclear state. the deal doesn't end iran's nuclear program. it preserves it. from what i have read so far, the deal doesn't provide for the anytime-anyplace inspections we wanted of suspected sites. the deal has a commission that ultimately will decide whether a violation can be pursued, and the clock on that potential violation, especially if it's access to sites that we suspect when there is a dispute with iran, would take when you add up all the different elements 24 days nearly a month. so those are just elements that have come out that are worrisome, but we'll have to look at the totality of the agreement and see as tom
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friedman of the "new york times" said about a week ago, is this the best bad deal that can be achieved? >> and senator, ali arouzi our bureau chief in aron said really what this does is it keeps the iranian nuclear program virtually intact. add to chat what we're seeing, we have to look through all the details of the 100-plus page agreement, but we're looking at lifting the ban on ballistic missiles sanctions, eight years or sooner and possibly billions of dollars going to the iranian regime as a consequence of this. isn't that though worth the price of paying if indeed iran does not get nuclear weapons? >> well first of all, it's amazing to me that we included the arms embargo and the missile technology question as part of this deal. the reality is that there's a
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reason why iran wants that. it wants to be able to continue to deploy its terrorism throughout the region as it is presently doing, even in desperate economic straits. i worry about intercontinental ballistic missiles and their ability to produce it. they have been refining missiles to be able to do that. when they get $100 billion to $150 billion, yes, most of it will probably be spent in iran but if you just take 10% for the terrorism efforts, we have a real challenge in what will happen in the greater middle east as a result of iran having that type of money. the question is this does not guarantee that iran will not achieve a nuclear weapon in the future. and i wish when the president came out today one of the things he would have said that would have assuaged me a little bit would have been under no circumstances will the united states permit iran to achieve a nuclear weapon. he didn't say that.
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and the reality is that a decade from now, when many of the elements of this program are over iran is going to be able to move forward. it has a significant part of its infra infrastructure in place. it with reassemble that which it has stored and off we go. the question is if you're going to have to face an iran that is determined to achieve nuclear weapons, do you want to face them when they're at their weakest point, both economically and otherwise, and their defense mechanisms or do you want to face them when they're at their strongest point, when their economy has revived, when they are flush with money, when they bought the s-300 from russia that is a defense missile system that will make it harder should they break out. this these are the questions we have to look add on the senate foreign relations committee. >> senator bob menendez thank you for being with me. >> we're just getting started on this tuesday edition of "the rundown" live from mexico city. up next the hunt for escaped
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drug kingpen, el chapo guzman. you're not going to believe the details of how he got out. we'll have a live report outside the prison on the latest search. i was at that prison yesterday. got a first-hand look at his escape route. more on that later this hour. plus the estranged son of a boston police captain in court today, accused of plotting to terror attack in the name of isis. and 67 million americans under the threat of severe weather today. one day after storms battered several states including kentucky, minnesota, and illinois. we're covering it all right here for you on "the rundown." oldest dog in the shelter. he needed help all day so i adopted him. when my back pain flared up, we both felt it. i tried tylenol but it was 6 pills a day. with aleve it's just two pills, all day. now i'm back! aleve. all day strong. do you like the passaaadd? it's a good looking car. this is the model rear end event. the model year end sales event. it's year end! it's a rear end event. year end, rear end check it out.
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at progressive.com. police captain expected to appear in federal court for allegedly plotting an isis
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inspired attack. he wanted to use pressure cooker bombs at the university to kill students. it also accuses him of wanting to broadcast it live over the internet. nbc's ron mott is in springfield, massachusetts, with the latest on that. good morning. >> hey jose. good morning to you. we're expecting to see this 23-year-old suspect in the afternoon, sometimes in the 3:00 hour for a detention hearing. he's the son of a boston police captain and a source with the department told nbc news it was indeed the father who tipped off the fbi. 23-year-old alexander chicola is charged with receiving a cache of weapons from an undercover federal agent in preparations for a deadly isis-inspired attack on unspecified college students. nbc news learned his college, a boston police captain, turned his estranged son into the police after learning of his alleged plans. >> it's successful for
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authorities. they have been pretty vigilant but i don't believe the threat has subsided. i believe it remains steady and they should remain vigilant as isis metastasizes around the world. >> late monday his family issued a statement saying they were saddened and disuappointed to learn of his intentions grateful authorities prevented any loss of life. he was under constant surveillance, making an attack unlikely. still, the government considers him a dangerous man. according to court documents, he was monitored buying a pressure cooker when he planned to fill with block powder, ball bearings and rocks and attack college cafeterias. the fbi describes how he wanted to execute students live on the internet. investigators say they found partially built molotov cocktails in his apartment. >> everybody around here neighbor to neighbor. when you hear something like that it's a big shocker. it really is an act of
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terrorism, bombs being made. it's right across the street from my house. >> a police source says he suffers from mental illness. authorities say he strabed a nurse in the head while being examined at the house of corrections after his fourth of july arrest. this is the second alenged isis-inspired terror plot broken up in massachusetts in just the past six weeks. >> ron mott thank you very much. i want to take you back here now to mexico. there are a couple new developments this morning in an all-out manhunt for notorious drug trafficker joaquin el"el chapo" guzman after he escaped from a maximum security prison on saturday evening. mexican officials have released his most recent mugshot, taken in 2014. they're also offering a $3.8 million reward for information that leads to his capture. in the wake of the escape three prison officials have lost their jobs. nbc's mark potter has more from outside the prison where el chapo escaped. what's the latest situation on
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that? >> well good morning, jose. the mexican interior minister is saying now what many people were saying right away was obvious to them, that choppo guzman had help inside this prison when he escaped by using that tunnel. the prison director and the national prison director have now been fired, and investigators are also talking to 30 more than 30 prison employees as they're trying to piece together what happened here. officials here and in the u.s. and other people say that this was such a complex operation, this tunnel, that there had to be a lot of people involved both outside and inside the prison. they point specifically to the precision that was required to dig that tunnel from a house a mile on the other side of the prison over there that came into the prison right into chapo guzman's cell in fact specifically to the shower stall where there were no cameras. that took a lot of doing to do
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that, and the interior minister says that he believed that the people involved had the blueprints from the prison to help them do that. of course, that raises a spenter of corruption massive corruption endemic corruption in mexico that is certainly being talked about a lot in connection with this case. and there was a newspaper headline here yesterday, i think you saw it where they asked the question, 3,000 tons of dirt and no one saw anything? one of many questions being asked now, as that manhunt for chapo guzman widens. jose. >> and mark you and i spent the day there where you are at the prison, and at that home about a mile behind you. where el chapo guzman emerged from. here's the question that the press was asking and i think you and i should talk about it. 3,000 pounds tons and tons and tons of debris taken out from a prison that's maximum security just a mile away and there's
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none of that debris is at that house. you're telling me mark that no one saw anything? no one heard anything? >> it was a miracle. how did they not hear all that digging? how did they know that all this wasn't going on? obviously, people were not seeing and not hearing what they didn't want to see and hear. the way that works, i have seen this before. there was another tunnel in the late '80s. they would bring the dirt out from the hole and bring it up into the house and put it in sugar bags and then at night, they would bring cars and trucks in and take the dirt or they would spread it out. there were ways to do that. there was a lady who was in that area who said she saw a lot of construction at that house, but wasn't able to perceive that anything else was going on. jose. >> mark potter miracles never cease to exist, apparently. meanwhile, the interior minister fires local police officials, but he says he's going to stay on the job because it's not time
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to resign yet. mark potter thank you. still ahead on "the rundown," this is new video. we have brand-new video of hillary clinton moments ago arriving on capitol hill for a meeting with house democrats. didn't say much just good morning. but we're watching to see if she says anything else when she comes out of that meeting. we're going to go live to the hill later this hour. stay with us on "the rundown." ♪ i built my business with passion. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy for my studio. ♪ and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business... that's huge for my bottom line. what's in your wallet? a new season brings a new look. a chance to try something different. this summer, challenge your preconceptions and experience a cadillac for yourself.
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from animosity between the united states and iran. overseas countries like israel and saudi arabia are none too happy and are already issuing veiled threats. let's go to richurdard engle in tel aviv. how is this news unfolding over there? >> well just as the negotiators had over two weeks to think about the deal israel had a lot of time to think about how it would respond to this. and the government of prime minister benjamin netanyahu came out very strongly issuing multiple statements. the defense minister issuing a statement as well condemning the deal in the strongest of terms, saying that israel has to remain strong, that the united states was effectivelihood lyly effectively hoodwinked by iran that iran is given a pathway to a weapon that iran is given access to billions of dollars
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that it will pour into quote, its terrorist infrastructure to continue its plans for domination of the region and beyond. so israel has made it no secret whatsoever that it opposes this deal. and already, you're starting to see some of these same points that israel has been making echoed by members of the u.s. congress. and that is absolutely part of israel's strategy israel has even said it's part of their strategy. it's hoping to use its friends and its influence in washington to try and kill this deal there while it was unable to kill it in vienna. that's on the israeli front. on the arab front, there is a deep concern that iran won't abide by the terms, that iran will be emboldened that iran will fieldeel empowered, it will be enriched and use it new gained power and wealth to further assert its dominant position in countries like iraq and syria and yemen, and gulf states in
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particular, saudi arabia are very threatened by that. >> richard engle in tel aviv thank you very mch. i want to bring in ambassador chris hill who served as the u.s. ambassador to iraq. ambassador, thanks for being with me. sunni arabs are not happy. saudi arabia particularly is issuing veiled threats. this is going to potentially change the balance in the middle east in the arab world. let's talk about syria, hezbollah, saudi arabia, even lebanon, that has seen syria being an imperialist state in their country in the past. is that going to change the balance? >> well certainly, this agreement, which is an historic agreement in so many different ways, i think, could be historic in terms of the game changer in the middle east. where think a lot of the concern among the sunni arab states is the fact that or their view that somehow the u.s. could be switching partners that is going back to using iran as a sort of major partner in the
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region. so they have a lot of concerns that go beyond the nuclearish ishsue issue. no question the iranians have been supporting various terrorist groups over the years, hezbollah is probably the main one, but i think it's fair to say our main terror issue right now is on the shia side it's the suna side dealing with isis dealing with al qaeda. these are our main concerns right now. and i think there's a hope certainly, with secretary kerry and president obama, that we can enlist iran into a more -- into a more helpful posture on that. i would like to say one other point about iraq. there's certainly a concern that shia-led iraq is going to be somehow under the domination of iran. i mean we should have given some thought to that in 2003. once you get shia-led iraq you knew you were going to have a country that was kind of at odds with the rest of the sunni arab states. so there was always going to be a tendency of shia-led iraq to somehow work with iran.
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>> but iraq right now is not the epicenter of the exporting of terrorism. as a matter of fact, as you know it's pretty much ground zero for the battle. but we've got to talk about syria. isn't syria the dictatorship there feel emboldened and possibly able to receive more money now that iran is able to in the next couple years? isn't syria going to feel as though lebanon is now more important to them? isn't the entire region going to see a change in the attitude of iran and how it's helped hezbollah and other client states? >> certainly, if you see what president rouhani is saying if you see what their chief negotiator foreign minister zarif is saying iran is somehow trying to make a turn and kind of join the community of nations. if it steps up support to terrorism in syria, if it steps up support to kind of shia terrorism there, it's going to
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make a very wrong turn. so there's no question there's a risk there, but i would argue that risk was probably even greater in the absence of an agreement. when you consider the agreement, you really have to consider not whether you somehow could have had a better agreement. there are a lot of people who said they could have made a better agreement, people who have never even negotiated a used car are somehow going to make a better agreement. you have to consider an agreement versus not having an agreement. and none of the sanctions that we can see has ever provented iran from developing their nuclear program. so i think this is the right course of action. but you're absolutely right. we have to monitor very clearly and be in very close contact with the iranians over these issues of exporting terrorism, which they have been very very guilty of over the years. >> ambassador chris hill thank you for being with me. i appreciate your perspective. i want to go now to check on the market where it's down slightly in the first couple
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minutes. there's a lot of events we're watching expecting to impact trading, including iran greek fallout, and much more on this ahead. right now, the dow is down about 11 points. but we are just getting the morning started. also developing this morning out west closing arguments in the colorado movie theater shooting trial. expected to begin in a couple hours. the defense's last chance to convince a jury that james holmes is not guilty by reason of insanity. in the 2012 shooting that kills 12 people and wounded 70. scott cohen is in colorado with more. good morning. >> good morning, jose. it is hard to overstate the importance of this day, and we're almost three years after that horrible theater shooting in aurora colorado not far from here. nearly three months of testimony, some 250 witnesses, but it really comes down to this. we'll begin with jury instructions, and those will be critical, as the judge instructs the jury on what exactly they
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need to decide in terms of whether james holmes was sane at the time of those murders. and then closing arguments. two hours for each side that will veer between emotion and technicalities, science, whether in fact he was sane or insane. much the way this driel did for so many months. it is a very very important day. the jury will get the case at the end of the day today and expected to begin deliberations tomorrow. >> scott cohn thank you very much for being with me. >> after a quick break, the hunt for el chapo guzman. we'll take you to the maximum security prison on the outskirts of mexico at the epicenter of the notorious druglord's escape and we'll talk with a former dea agent about the search, next.
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frantic search for one of the world's most dangerous drug kingpins is escalating this morning. a $3.8 million award is offered for joaquin "el chapo" guzman. he escaped from a mash mm security prison saturday evening. i visited the area 2r a first-hand look. >> was keen el chapo guzman disappeared from this prison high security prison in the outskirts of mexico when he enters the shower and finds his hole. he goes down vertically 33 feet and then crosses horizontally about a mile coming out on this structure, the tallest of the two. from there, he virtually disappears. authorities inside the prison didn't call the alarms until three hours after he first went into the bathroom. and there are also new reports the u.s. knew of plots to free el chapo as early as last year. the a.p. reports the dea alerted mexican officials 16 months ago to multiple escape plans, but
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mexico's interior secretary says they were never informed. let me bring in the former head of the drug enforcement administration's international operations. mike, good morning. >> how are you this morning? >> good. tell me what you make of these reports of the dea alerting mexico multiple escape possibilities, but the mexicans say never happened. >> well, the fact of the macttter is anytime we get any type of information regarding the drug trade in mexico we pass it off very quickly in a very very timely basis to the mexican government so that they can take action. and we usually try to monitor that. in this case i think that you know, the mexican government assured the dea that they would look into the matter but i don't think that was the case. >> well, clearly wasn't the case. mike, this morning, one of the daily newspapers here in mexico
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says that el chapo not only escaped from prison he escaped from extradition because the united states was preparing six extra extradition requests against el chapo guzman. how difficult is it going to be to find this guy? how poufrl is he how well financed is he? give us an idea of this specific drug lord? >> the fact of the matter is that chapo guzman is wanted in seven judicial districts here in the united states. chapo guzman is worth hundreds of millions of dollars. he heads up the most powerful drug cartel in mexico the sinaloa cartel. very astute very psychopathic and he follows the tactics of isis where he wants to control wide swaths of territory through terror. chapo guzman has dominated the landscape in terms of the drug trade in mexico for a number of
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years. he's ruthless and quite frankly, the heroin epidemic that we're currently suffering in the united states is attributed to the sinaloa cartel for the amount of cocaine and other drugs that they're funneling into the u.s. consumer market. >> and it's important to state because i've gotten actually on twitter, i have a couple folks who said, hey, you said the drug cartels are importing marijuana. the united states doesn't get their marijuana from these cartels. that would be wrong. as a matter of fact, about 80% of the drugs manufactured by these cartels are marijuana. the rest is meth and heroin et cetera et cetera but marijuana continues to be a big cash cow for these cartels. >> well obviously, and marijuana is not going to go away. you know whether we legalize it in the united states you know the mexican cartels can undercut these dispensaries. and keep in mind jose that
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there are multidrug, poly drug, so even if you did away with marijuana, they still have cocaine, they still have heroin and they still have methamphetamine. that is what makes these cartels more resilient than ever. let me just make one comment in terms of chapo guzman. his escape his escape from the most secure penitentiary in mexico translates into two things. more violence for mexico and more drugs coming into the united states. >> and mike i wrap up with your comments and thoughts on this cartoon. mexico has brilliant sense of humor, and dhar cartoons and caricatures show that. here is a cartoon from one of the daily newspapers el chapo guzman getting out of the tunnel singing, and the tunnel is made up of insecurity ungovernability and corruption. that combination of things is
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maybe what made that tunnel possible. mike, thank you so very much for being with me. still ahead, hillary clinton is on capitol hill this hour meeting with house democrats. the former secretary of state could be president obama's biggest ally on iran if she supports the deal. we'll have a live report from the hill next right here on "the rundown." lcome to castle bravestorm. it's full of cool stuff, like my second in command... and my trusty bow. and free of stuff i don't like. and in my castle we only eat chex cereal. chex cereal. it's full of delicious crunchability. no artificial flavors, and it's gluten-free. and that's something even my brother ... sister can understand. mom, brian threw a ball in the house!
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has a tremendous role to play in this deal. both as the potential future leader of the democratic party and as the former top diplomat. a lot of diplomats on the fence might look to her for leadership, and it was her state department that began these negotiations. in the long term the authority for the deal rests with the pres presidency presidency, not with congress. whoever becomes the next president will have a tremendous say over whether the deal continues. most of the republicans are uniformly opposed to this so hillary clinton could be barack obama's best only hope of having this deal outlive his presidency. >> and alex what happens today? what is she doing today, and are we expecting her to speak on the issue? >> she's meeting with a lot of top democrats, meeting with both the house and senate democratic caucuses, the groups in both chambers and also meeting with key constituency groups the progressive caucus the black
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caucus, the hispanic caucus, and asian american caucus as well as with nancy pelosi. she's making a big effort to reach out trooo democrats here. she's trying to lockdown the party establishment. she has a big head start on that over her elected colleagues. these are people with their own constituencies constituencies, their own allies back home in key states like new hampshire and iowa. bernie sanders, her fellow colleague, has a chance of winning her support. >> alex appreciate it. it's already been a busy morning for president obama who announced the deal with iran about 7:00 a.m. eastern time. he's headed to philadelphia to speak at the convention. we'll get a peek into that. about 20 minutes into the trading day, take a look at how wall street is reacting. we're up 16 points and it looks
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president obama will turn to domestic issues later today. he is expecting to make a push for criminal justice reform when he speaks at the naacp convention later today in philadelphia. what are some of the specific issues the president is going to be outlining today? >> this is going to be mostly about prison reform about sentencing, about the jail population, about probation, about parole and he's speaking to the naacp about this to make these announcements obviously because these issues affect our community in a very significant way. there are all kinds of statistics suggesting a number of young black men, for example, involved in the criminal justice system rivals the number who are
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enrolled in college and graduate education, for example. so it's not only an issue that affects these individuals, it affects communities, it affects families. the president is basically trying to come up with ways to create what i think he would say is more fairness in the system particularly when it comes to non-violent offenders. we know earlier in the week yesterday, he commuted the sentences of some 46 inmates in federal prisons who were serving 28-year sentences, life sentences primarily for drug oe fences, and the president said he was trying to make sure the punishment fits the crime. he is trying to make sure that many of the punishments imposed in federal prison now fit the crime and they don't impact communities any more than possible. reform. he has talked a lot about how america is a nation that believes in second chances, so i think that's another theme he
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will most likely reference. tomorrow he will visit a federal detention center in oklahoma city, continuing this week of criminal justice. jose? >> ron allen, thank you very much. coming up on "the rundown," we have a whole lot more for you. we'll have more on the historic deal with iran from vienna to the white house to london. plus the conversation moves to capitol hill. president obama is a tough sell to congress. that's next, on "the rundown." we're also going to be hearing from house speaker john boehner and the house committee on the agreement with iran. we'll have it all for you on msnbc.
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lifting sanctions. this morning the president insisted the deal will bring meaningful change and told critics the alternative is much much worse. >> no deal means no lasting constraints on iran's nuclear program. such a scenario would make it more likely that other countries in the region would feel compelled to pursue their own nuclear programs. threatening a nuclear arms race in the most volatile region of the world. it would also present the united states with fewer and less effective options to prevent iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. >> now it will be up to congress to vote on the deal. a hearing on iran is getting under way in front of the house foreign affairs committee as we speak. you're seeing live pictures right now as the president welcomes the debate. there are already plenty of questions about the agreement from both parties. >> the question is this does not guarantee that iran will not
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achieve a nuclear weapon in the future. >> any senator who votes for this is voting for a nuclear arms race in the mideast. >> we've got all angles covered for you. nbc joe fryer is in new york chris jansing is in the white house. let's start with joe fryer in london. 24 hours it looked like the deal was on the verge of falling apart. what happened? how did it come together? >> finally it did just come together after a lot of negotiations. this has really been going on for 20 months now, with the last 18 days in particular. the talks happening in vienna between iran and six nations led by the united states and we've seen a few deadline extensions at this point. it looked like we were headed to another deadline extension or the talks were going to break down heading into overnight, but then there was a session where things finally came together led by iran's foreign minister and secretary of state john kerry. we know they were close to walking away at times.
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they came up with an agreement, an extensive agreement, more than 80 pages, but some of the key things the president is stressing in his address today will get rid of 98% of a stockpile of enriched uranium that iran has, and secretary john kerry saying that instead of taking two or three months for the country to build a weapon, it will take at least a year. those are some of the things they are trying to stress saying if iran violates the deal, all the sanctions will be snapped back and that was clearly an effort to try and address many of the critics who are speaking out about this. jose? >> joe pryer in london thank you very much. i want to take you to capitol hill. john boehner is speaking. let's go to him right now. >> in my view what i know of this thus far, is unacceptable. it's going to hand a dangerous regime billions of dollars in sanctions relief while paving the way for a nuclear iran.
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this isn't partisan at all, it's about right or wrong. we're going to do everything we can to get to the details, and if in fact it's as bad a deal as i think it is at this moment we'll do everything we can to stop it. >> i know the president announced this morning the agreement -- >> and there you saw speaker john boehner saying that if the deal is as bad as he thinks although all the details haven't been publicshed yet, he is going to do all he can to oppose it. the president of iran sees it as a victory. listen. >> today is the beginning, the beginning of a new movement the beginning of a new joy, beginning of a new hope. >> nbc's chief ali joins me this
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morning. you just heard the president ofspeaker saying if the deal is what he thinks it is, he will do all he can to oppose it. iran is preparing for a lot of celebration for this. >> that's right, big celebrations here in iran. the president is going to have a post-dinner tonight with members of his cabinet and the supreme leader. this deal wouldn't have happened if the supreme leader hadn't signed off on it so if you want to break this down he could be the congress of iran that could stop this deal and he didn't want to do that. there were certain red lines he's drawn that he seems to have come back on. he mentioned there is no way, in fact we would be allowed into iran's military site but they need to figure out a formula for that. it's not going to be anywhere any time but there will be a strategy for organizing visits
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with the iaa, with coordination of member states that have been involved in this negotiation. it's a deal it's about compromise, it's about not getting everything you want, and i think the iranians are pretty happy with this deal. ruouhani really did look at this as a victory for iran. he said they would still get to enrich uranium, anything extra they would settle in the world market iran coming out of this looking very victorious and that's what he wants to sell to the people. in his speech he thanked the length for standing behind him and his government to allow him to get this deal and he says that the reason he pushed so hard for this deal is because that was his campaign promise when he was being elected, because that's what the iranian people wanted. and he is going to be profoundly popular in this country. i have no doubt that he is going to be the most popular president the islamic republic has seen since its inception in 1979 and
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in iran we'll be having parliamentary meetings in six months. i think iran's government will sweep through them. jose? >> ali in iran. back in the united states the president said today he welcomes debate on the nuclear agreement but insisted he will veto any legislation that seeks to block its implementation. for more on this i'm joined by cnn correspondent, chris jansing. chris, good morning. tell me where things go from here. >> reporter: it's going to be a tough fight, but i just got off a call with senior officials who say they know that that the president already started working the phones. overnight he called the leadership on both sides in the house and the senate. they expect he will make additional calls going forward and you mentioned there are hearings. there will continue to be hearings once the parameters of this deal are better understood, and he said that members of his administration and national security team are going to be out there pushing the deal as
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well, and if they have to answer questions from congress they're happy to do that. because they think they have a good case to make. they believe that this deal is even better than they expected when they were going in. so he's also going to be looking for opportunities, as they put it to make his case to the american people. in the 14 minutes we heard from him earlier this morning is just the start. the gist is america is safer with this deal the world is safer with this deal and without it the possibility of a nuclear iran is something that none of us wants to be able to face. so in summary, they think this is a very significant moment for this administration but they're also well aware of the fact that given the length of time that this is going to play out over the next 5 to 10 to 15 years, while it's been talked a lot about that this is a legacy issue for the president, the full impact of it and how it will be judged won't be known until long after he is out of office, jose.
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>> chris jansing at the white house, thank you very much. as chris was saying one of the big issues now is capitol hill. reaction, and will it get the support the president needs? lou russer joins me from capitol hill. lou, good morning. >> good morning, jose. >> what are people saying as they wake up and take a look at this? we just heard john boehner say if it's as bad as he thinks it is, he will do everything in his power he can to oppose it. how much can they really do? >> here's what they can do. they now have a 60-day review period and congress will be out of session at the end of this month. but in actuality, in terms of what they can do in order to stop this deal they basically have to achieve a veto-proof majority, and that is a very difficult thing to do because they'll need help from a lot of democrats. we have seen in the past a lot of democrats that were uncomfortable with the administration's negotiating stance with iran but it's believed that the administration
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will be able to hold them together. so if obama can hold one-third of congress then this deal can go through. but make no mistake, for the rest of this month in the 60-day period whenever it starts and the issue is brought to congress, the gop will launch an assault on it from everything we've gotten so far. chairman ed royce of the foreign affairs committee says this deal looks like a tough sell quote, unquote, to republicans. you saw that with john boehner right there who said it is disconcerting what he's heard so far, echoing the house majority leader. it will be very interesting, jose, to see how this plays out in the senate. that is the body that ratifyies treaties that's the most important body here. he has to look at republicans like bob corger chairman of the foreign relations committee. what is he going to say about this? what is chuck schumer going to say? bob menendez of missouri what
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is he going to say? he has to get those types of voices in a room and say, hey, can you back me on this to some degree, and a guy like john mccain how far against this deal will he be or will he be up for it at some point? it will be a tough sell. >> it will be a tough sell but i think those in the past who said it's going to be a tough sell and the president doesn't have a good communication with congress -- as a matter of fact lou, hold on let's go back to john boehner. he's still speaking about this issue. >> there will be a lot of time for people to look at the details of this agreement and come to a decision. [ inaudible question ]
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>> luke there is a question and answer on iran and the speaker is pretty much reemphasizing what he said earlier in his comments, that it looks like he won't be doing much to support it. luke my point was before we went to boehner is that those who have said in the past the president doesn't have a good relationship with congress and that he doesn't have a good working relationship with them let's not underestimate the force of the president. tppa there was opposition to it and in the final analysis they all came through. the president has a very strong bargaining position. >> i agree with you, and i agree with the fact that he only has to get one-third of congress behind means he should be okay. traditionally, these types of treaties, the executive branch has been allowed to negotiate them and enact them. the administration has two key figures working for them on this: joe biden, who remains very popular with his former
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senate colleagues and john kerry, who also remains popular with his former senate colleagues. those are two people in the administration that a lot of people trust, and senators always felt they could do business with those two figures in the administration. they will launch an all-out pr blitz. they have to hold their democratic senators in line and they should be able to do that. i do think you'll have some interesting sound bites along the way. >> we started with senator mendez. luke, good to see you. a difference between a treaty and an agreement. the president has a lot more leeway with an agreement. good to see you, buddy. let's go to benjamin netanyahu. he is speaking right now and we want to listen in on what he has to say. >> they've gambled that in 10 years' time iran's terrorist regime will change while removing any incentive for it to do so. in fact the deal gives iran every incentive not to change.
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in the coming decade the deal will reward iran the terrorist regime in tehran with hundreds of billions of dollars. this cash bonanza will fuel iran's terrorism worldwide, its aggression in the region and its efforts to destroy israel which are ongoing. amazingly, this deal does not pro clud preclude iran from seizing aggressive behavior. last week that aggression was on display for all to see. while they were closing a deal with vienna iran's president chose to go to a rally in tehran. while at this rally, a friendly
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iranian shouted death to america. death to israel. this didn't happen four years ago, it happened four days ago. iran's supreme leader said on march 21st that the deal does not limit iran's aggression in any way. he said, negotiations with the united states on the nuclear issue and on nothing else. and three days ago, he made that clear again. the united states etsdhe said embodies global arrogance and the battle against it will continue unabated even after the nuclear agreement is concluded. here's what consuela the head of hezbollah, said about sanctions relief which is a key component of the deal. he said, a rich and strong iran will be able to stand by its allies and friends in the region more than at any time in the
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past. translation? iran's support for terrorism and subversion will actually increase after the deal. in addition to filling iran's terror war chest, this deal repeetsre repeats the mistakes made with north korea. there, too, we were sure that inspections and verifications would prevent a regime from preparing nuclear weapons. we all know how that ended. the bottom line of this very bad deal is exactly what iran's president rouhani said today. a federal union is removing the sanctions and iran is keeping its nuclear program. by not dismantling iran's nuclear program, in a decade this deal will give unreformed, unrepent unrepentant and far richer terrorist regime the capacity to
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produce many nuclear bombs. in fact an entire nuclear arsenal with the means to deliver it. what a stunning historic mistake. israel is not bound by this deal with iran and israel is not bound by this deal with iran because iran continues to seek our destruction. we will always defend ourselves. thank you. >> the prime minister of israel benjamin netanyahu, reacting to the news of this historic agreement, the united states plus five and iran on its nuclear program. benjamin netanyahu calling it a very bad deal. stunning historic mistake. if you noticed at the beginning of that news conference, we had to switch our satellite feeds because it wasn't coming in clearly. but i want to go now to london and talk a little bit more about how this is playing out
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overseas. he is a professor of international relations at the university of economics and an expert on this. we just heard israel is not bound by this deal but it seems like the rest of the world is pretty much backing this agreement. >> that's right, the entire world with the exception of israel and one or two states. this is really a historical moment a new beginning. it's diplomacy. it's give and take as president barack obama and president rouhani said it's a compromise. both sides, the united states and iran have made major painful concessions. as president barack obama said this is not done because of trust, that verification. you have now the international community unfettered access
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unfettered access to all iranian nuclear facilities any time. any time the international community manage access to even iranian military sites, major concessions on the part of iran. the u.n. arms embargo, and the u.n. will remain the next few years. iran freezes its nuclear program for the next between 10 and 15 years. iran's capacity to begin the process would take iran eight years if it decides to go ahead to build a nuclear bomb. this is -- basically these are major concessions. again, the president barack obama said look if iran does not comply basically the sanctions -- there is a clause called snap-back. it would be in 35 days or so. all in all, we need to understand this is a hard-nosed
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diplomatic breakthrough. it ends the institutionalized hostility between the united states and the west on one hand iran, and it opens a new chapter. we'll have to wait and see. let's give it a chance. let's see iran comply. let's see if iran is willing to play by the rules of the game. this is the least we can do instead of trying to sabotage and undermine a major breakthrough. president obama said what's the alternative? the alternative is war. does the united states want to go to war against iran? this is the question on the table, because iran was near the moment when it truly could build a nuclear bomb. if you ask me what the israeli prime minister wants, the prime minister says there is no agreement on earth that would satisfy benjamin netanyahu who would basically like other confrontation with iran oral no
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show in this nuclear program. >> professor, is it that dogmatic? is it that black and white? if this deal were not in place, the only other solution would be military intervention? isn't that dogmatic or in 15 years, would iran special essential -- essentially be back at ground zero and eight years from now they could have ballistic missile capabilities. is it one or the other? is it black or white in this world? >> i mean look if this particular agreement had not taken place today, you're talking about iran being almost a year or six months away from having the capacity to build a nuclear bomb or eight nuclear bombs. this is a scientific fact. this is what the american
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intelligence community has said. and the u.s. president is on record saying the united states would go to war against iran if iran nears that particular point. so the alternative to this particular agreement, either you allow iran to build a nuclear bomb or you go to war against iran. this is the reality. these are facts, scientific facts. what barack obama is saying and what iran is saying look let's compromise. let's basically freeze iran in the iran nuclear program in 10 to 15 years. who knows what happens in 10 to 15 years, jose? the iranian regime might collapse. you might have a new regime. you might, in fact have an imperialistic system. in fact this particular agreement could easily compromise undermine the agreement itself because iran has been isolated for the last three decades or so. what does benjamin netanyahu
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want? benjamin netanyahu wants basically other imminent confrontation with iran or wants the united states to destroy the iranian nuclear program. the final point here jose and i'm sorry to be very provocative. i understand if the saudis say they would like to get rid of the iran ii nuclear program. israel has between 100 and 200 nuclear devices. these are not my numbers, they're american numbers. so i don't understand why the prime minister of a country that has 100 nuclear devices would like to destroy a supposedly peaceful nuclear program. iran is on record, it will never have the capacity or ability to build a nuclear bomb. it will be enshrined. this is good news. >> always a pleasure to see you. thank you for being with me this morning. >> thank you. much more ahead on "the rundown." we expect to hear from hillary
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is still to come. another story developing right here in mexico. there is no let-up this morning in the massive manhunt for notorious drug trafficer joaquin "el chapo" guzman after his daring escape from a mexican prison two days ago. authorities are now offering a $3.8 million reward for his capture and three prison officials have lost their jobs. the kingpin managed to escape from a shower area near his cell that led to a one-mile-long tunnel tunnel.
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to construct this tunnel it meant four or five people working day and night for about a year. they constructed 13 linear feet every day underground, and experts say about 350-plus trucks were needed to remove all of the soil and debris. the underground tunnel "el chapo" used to make his escape is also one of his key tools and the key tools of his cartel. other cartels used tunnels as well to smuggle drugs across the border from mexico to the united states. many of these tunnels were sophisticated. we're joined live by the mexican border in arizona. gabe gutierrez, good morning. >> good morning. i've seen more drug tunnels than any other, and this is the latest one. the landlord here is giving us access to show just how brazen and creative these smugglers can be. they are the hidden secrets of the drug war, but the
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underground tunnel that allowed "el chapo" to escape has become a familiar sight to federal agents. smugglers used to drive across or over the border now they often go underneath it using sophisticated lighting and railway systems to sneak drugs and cash into the u.s. terry kirkpatrick spent 28 years as a u.s. customs agent and watched the rise of the drug tunnels firsthand chronicled in his book "sixty miles of border." >> when they build a tunnel and it's not detected they have the freedom to run 7,000 pounds of marijuana and cocaine nightly. >> 65 tunnels have been discovered along the southern border. more than 100 of them in mogalis. one of them stretches hundreds of feet to a house in arizona. the latest discovery in this
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home where authorities say smugglers tried a different approach. the border is just down that road. >> yes, sir, to the south of us. >> they apparently used a sewer line to funnel drugs. but something went wrong, spilling sewage everywhere and blowing their cover. the homeowner tells us he had no clue what his tenants were up to. >> you don't think you'll be the last one? >> it's not going to be the last one. >> reporter: jose, i can tell you this tunnel is very narrow. at one point it extended police say, down at least 10 or 20 feet or so. it's now been partially filled in. city leaders in nougalis is asking the federal government for help. they say these tunnels shouldn't define this community and this affects cities and towns across the u.s. that the drugs that are smuggled here end up on our
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streets across america. >> the prison was a little bit smaller, actually than the one you're in so it gives an idea how small they can be but how effective they are. gabe gutierrez, thank you. good to see you. >> good to see you. after a nine-year journey, nasa has finally made it to plutum. the agency posted this image of the dwarf planet on instagram just a short time ago. the spacecraft is doing a fly-by of the planet nearly 3 billion miles from earth. the journey would allow nasa to take a better look at plutum by taking four hours of pictures launched at cape canavaral back in 2006. so far no life reported there. but we've got time. we're also following a developing story out of boston where a police captain's estranged son is accused of
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planning an isis-inspired attack. pete williams joins me in washington. pete? >> reporter: good day. it started by a tip last fall by a boston police captain who said a police officer's son had a long relationship with islam and sent a text saying america is satan. he said he was interested in becoming a martyr for isis. court documents say a short time later he started meeting with someone he thought was like-minded but turned out to be working undercover with the fbi. he talked about wanting to attack a college cafeteria with pressure cooker bombs and guns and wanted to do it by the end of this month. he bought a pressure cooker july 3rd and asked the undercover operative to get him some guns and when he took the guns he was arrested on july 4, but we only learned about it yesterday.
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when agents searched his apartment, they found partially constructed molitov cocktails, or firebombs. he will be in court for a detention hearing this afternoon. members of his family put out a brief statement to say that they were saddened and disappointed to learn of their son's intentions but grateful he was unable to provide harm to others. a nuclear deal finally reached with iran. plus plus a reality check. can we really dismantle a nuclear program years in the making? we'll talk about that next on "the rundown".." learn more by calling 844-824-2424. or visit your24info.com. "ride away" (by roy orbison begins to play) ♪ i ride the highway... ♪ ♪ i'm going my way... ♪ ♪i leave a story untold... ♪
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